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Private Dancer 6:49 Thu Dec 8
India vs England 4th Test Mumbai

England won toss and off to a good start.

60/0

Sven Roeder 12:09 Thu Dec 15
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James Anderson out of tomorrows 5th Test with 'body soreness'.
I guess with the next Test for England only 7 months away its right to be cautious.

VirginiaHam 3:50 Tue Dec 13
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I didn't see the Bairstow decision, but DRS does show up how much bullying and pressuring of umpires goes on. Some of the appealing that takes place when the ball has either missed the bat by miles, or hit the middle of the bat is laughable. The comment "I thought you were allowed to hit it with the bat" still has merit.

Then again, there's no such cheating in football. All angels.

Sven Roeder 3:30 Tue Dec 13
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I know DRS turns a lot of things that didn't 'look out' in the past into wickets for spinners but given it gets more things right I'd still rather have it.
Saw Bairstow get given out bat pad when he was about 4 inches away from the ball so hopefully the wickets given due to constant appealing and bullying umpires are reduced a bit.

As I said before I think opposition spinners need to study theirs better and think about how they are bowling in those conditions.
As I said Herath destroyed Australia and he was underspinning the ball and getting lots out just by having balls go straight on.
Lyon went there and bowled spinning over the ball like he would anywhere else trying to make the ball turn sideways and got nowhere.
Said at the time they should have taken Zampa.
He tends to bowl stump to stump and skids some through. That's grown out of him playing a lot of t20 and ODI's but might be more effective.

claretandbluedagger 3:27 Tue Dec 13
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The only person who seeks to think Cook should go is Piers Morgan, and his judgement is clouded by being up Kevin Pietersen's arse.

VirginiaHam 3:04 Tue Dec 13
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All the Indian spinners have to do is turn one past the bat or bowl a straight one that doesn't turn (as opposed to the old 'arm ball' which swung but you could see the seam upright) and batting becomes seriously difficult on a bunsen.

There's been an ongoing FB debate about all this; great to be part of, since you have the likes of my era involved (kicking the spinners), Barry Richards era and then some of the more recent 1st class players offering their views. Opinions on England's selection fuck-ups for India and very revealing.

VirginiaHam 2:59 Tue Dec 13
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Sven Roeder 9:49 Tue Dec 13

Outside India, where the ball turns far less the Indian spinners and their so called variations have been negated.

In India however, with DRS prevalent, no batsman can afford to play with bat alongside pad and kick the ball. You have to use the bat and that will be ahead of the pad, automatically bringing close fielders into play. Once that happens, you have to use soft hands to avoid bat/pad deflections carrying, but in turn you are now guessing if the ball will turn or not. If it carries straight on (Jadeja/Herath) you are fucked LBW or Ashwin (LBW or caught at slip.

Strokelessness follows next, strangulation and death. No great surprise that India decided DRS had 'improved considerably'. What a weapon that is for thm now.

Westside 2:11 Tue Dec 13
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Next year England have, SA at home, the West Indies at home and Australia away.

i wonder if it's better for Cook to carry on until after the SA series, rather than risk Root starting with a series defeat?Or Cook carrying on as captain until after the Ashes?

Also another condensed test programme for England, no tests until July 2017, then 7 in just over two months.

Sven Roeder 12:45 Tue Dec 13
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I think Cook is looking forward to being just a batsman and concentrating on his own game.
They don't have a Test series til July after this last Test so he has time to think about it.
Still think he will carry on as captain through the next Ashes and then just play as a batsman under Root for as long as he can.

Rashid had a chance to tip Ali out as the number one spinner and hasn't really taken it.
They will be back to just Ali for the home series v Windies and S Africa.

Sniper 12:11 Tue Dec 13
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Sven Roeder 2:00 Mon Dec 12

Yes I have, not for some time, and not at any level at all and I could only get turn or pace not both. I was much more a medium pace swing bowler - bloody loved bowling.

However these are professionals and the number of balls Ali in particular gets hideously wrong is shocking - it's a shame as both him and rashid are fully capable of bowling excellent balls (not to Ashton's standard admittedly) but have very little consistency

We really miss Swann and his ability to get wickets or just pin the batsmen down - I'm astounded at how few good spinners we produce.though I grew up with Robert Croft in the England team so anything will always be an improvement!

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:27 Tue Dec 13
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I think it's several years now since Cook wanted to be skipper - I think he was totally disillusioned by the whole Pietersen thing. He appears to have stayed in his post so long because there is nobody else to do the job.

His now relentless championing of Root suggests that, in his mind at least, there now is somebody else to do it.

Sven Roeder 10:27 Tue Dec 13
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The only person talking about ending Cook's captaincy is Cook.
The coach says he has the job as long as he wants it and I cant think I have heard ANY commentator saying he should quit or be sacked.

I liked the bit where he talked about how he now has a review with Strauss after each series AFTER WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ONE DAY SIDE.
Still has the hump over getting JETTISONED in favour of the Irish bloke obviously.

India is a bit of a freak at the moment as they have managed to manufacture conditions that suit only them (and maybe Pakistan so they don't invite them).
In the meantime they are number 1 in the world having being slaughtered in England last time out and never (NEVER) having won a Test series in Australia or South Africa in their entire history.
If I was England I would look at the positives (Hameed, Jennings, the fact that they can pick a side with one spinner next time) and look forward to two proper series with S Africa in England in July 2017 and then the Ashes.

Grumpster 10:05 Tue Dec 13
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Not really sure why everyone is going so mad about these test results anyway.

India haven't lost a test at home since England in 2012 and that includes series against Oz, Windies, SA and NZ.

In fact in all of those, only England and SA got a draw each out of the past 17 tests.

Question Cook's captaincy, but with basically no top drawer spinners available to him, not much he can do.

Sven Roeder 9:49 Tue Dec 13
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Almost certainly!
As said I think Warne has coloured people's ideas of how consistent leg spinners can be when they are mere mortals.

It is interesting how overseas spinners apart from Swann & Panesar last time for England haven't bowled as well as the Indians. When Ashwin has gone to England and Australia his figures are worse than the opposition spinners.
Think overseas countries have to examine how they bowl in India and try to replicate it. For example Jadeja just appears to bowl darts and is completely average elsewhere.
Ashwin isn't a big turner of the ball but he gets the line, length & pace just right and has enough varieties to confuse the batsmen.
But like Jadeja he is very much a stump to stump bowler.
Herath destroyed Australia in Sri Lanka doing something similar.

VirginiaHam 3:02 Tue Dec 13
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Sven Roeder 2:00 Mon Dec 12

You may have ben a shit leggie, but did you manage to bowl a ball as bad as that thing Rashid bowled.......pitched out leg, halfway down, and kept going. The Indian batsman was carried off with a hernia, caused by trying to hit it for four.

Sven Roeder 12:05 Tue Dec 13
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2017/18 Ashes Test dates released
1st Test Brisbane Nov 23-27
2nd Test Adelaide Dec 2-6 DayNight with PINK ball
3rd Test Perth Dec 14-18 probably WACA maybe Perth Stadium
4th Test Melbourne Dec 26-30
5th Test Sydney Jan 4-8

Followed by 5 ODI's and then a triangular t20 series including NZ.

Sven Roeder 11:36 Mon Dec 12
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Isn't being short on overs a mandatory ban if you do it twice in 12 months or something ?

If they decided DuPlessis was guilty of ball tampering he should have been banned but SA made such a fuss they chickened out.
A bit like when Harbhajhan called Symonds a monkey and India threatened to go home if he was punished properly.
I suspect at some point they will change the interpretation of the law to allow sweets but still outlaw pockets of dirt, bottle tops and kicking the ball in the gutter like Mick Lewis.
In the meantime he should have been banned. And probably will be when they hear his nonsensical appeal next week.

East Auckland Hammer 11:16 Mon Dec 12
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You can't take any punishment handed out by the ICC seriously though.

Not when du Plessis is only fined for being found guilty of cheating, and Misbah is banned for 1 game AND fined for being 5 overs short in a 3 day test match.

Sven Roeder 11:05 Mon Dec 12
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I would have Maxwell in any short form squad as an option.
The whole dispute he had with Victoria is because he wanted to shift to NSW preseason. They wouldn't let him and then didn't pick him and when they did Wade batted in front of him.
Anyone who hates Victorians is fine by me.

Umpires make mistakes and games come and go.
But if the captain of a team is convicted of cheating by the ICC that surely has to be reflected in the match result.
Bit like playing an ineligible player. 1-1

East Auckland Hammer 10:53 Mon Dec 12
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Maxwell is a cunt, and I wouldn't have him near my team, but I can see why you think he'd be a good fit for the national side.

Obviously you didn't see it, but the setup and dismissal of Smith in the 3rd ODI was a thing of beauty, and should form the blueprint for bowling plans going forward.

So does that mean then that we drew our series' last summer because of the umpiring howlers?

Cool, I'll adjust the record books.

Sven Roeder 10:43 Mon Dec 12
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Finch & Bailey seem out of form .... Khawaja & Maxwell may get a chance next time. Travis Head is settling in & hopefully Chris Lynn will finally be fit soon and get some games.
It's all a bit of shifting around trying to find an ODI team for next June.

To be honest NZ should have been playing a third Test v Pakistan and Australia a fourth vs S Africa. Especially as it was 1-1 given the Second Test is null and void due to the cheating of Faf du Plicity.

East Auckland Hammer 10:30 Mon Dec 12
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Yeah, I think we were a bit cocky Sven.

Mind you, who wouldn't be coming up against your pack of dickheads.

Tell you one thing, you get Smith and Warner, and there's not an awful lot left.

We just couldn't get both of them out at the same time.

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